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Droogpak, welke ga ik kopen?

Berichtdoor bjorri » 09 sep 2008 09:13

Een droogpak lijkt me een juiste investering voor groot water varen in de winter, comfortableler en vooral veiliger. Nu nog de vraag welke?

De drie die ik in overweging heb zijn:
Kokatak expedition
Palm Aleutian EXP Immersion Suit
Palm Sidewinder Torrent (zelfde url)

De Sidewinder omdat ik het nut van een capuchon betwijfel, het beperkt de beweging veel meer dan een neopreen badmuts of bivakmuts. Daarnaast krijg je weer meer lagen stof waar allemaal water gaat zitten waardoor het drogen van het pak een echte klus gaat worden. Het voordeel is wel dat je de nek sowieso uit de wind kunt houden. Allerlei zakjes en andere tierelantijn lijken mij volkomen overbodig, daar voorziet het zwemvest al in. Een echt droge (binnen)zak zou wel handig zijn :-)
Latex seals, aangenaaide sokken en relief zipper zie ik het nut wel van in.

De vragen:
- Kloppen mijn bovenstaande redenaties?
- Hoe lastig is het drogen, ook de dubbelle laag waar het spatzeil tussen gaat?
- Zit er verschil tussen XP200 en Goretex? Met name waterdichtheid op termijn, ademend vermogen en sterkte/slijtvastheid? (onderbouwd aub)
- Zijn er meer merken en typen waar ik eens naar moet kijken?
Het leven gaat door en het water is nat. (Ede Staal)
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Berichtdoor Freek » 09 sep 2008 18:07

Ik kijk er ook al lang naar.
Mijn favoriet is de Stohlquist Bpod.
http://www.stohlquist.com/dyn_prod.php?k=&p=STO56535

Omdat deze neopreen (glideskin) halsmanchetten heeft i.p.v. latex, die je om de haverklap moet vervangen.

Eén van de instrukteurs op Vlieland vertelde dat hij z'n Kokotat manchetten 2x per jaar moest vervangen. Niet uit voorzorg, maar omdat het (weer) kapot is. En wanneer gaat het kapot ?
Juist, als je wilt gaan varen.
Voor Vlieland, had hij z'n pak dus ook noodgedwongen thuis moeten laten.

Reed overweeg ik ook. AB verkoopt ze als drysuit, maar volgens de Reed website is het geen drysuit. Kwestie van ermee in het water springen lijkt me.
http://www.chillcheater.com/products/sh ... 1&pid=1511

€ 375,-- is te overzien en je kunt 'm passen 'om de hoek'
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Berichtdoor bjorri » 09 sep 2008 19:52

Nou, ik ga wel voor latex, neopreen is gewoon net niet echt waterdicht en voor de veiligheid wil ik wel geruime tijd in het water kunnen verblijven zonder nat te worden.

Ik zoek eigenlijk een site met een vergelijking over de diverse ademende materialen en systemen. Ook ritsen zijn belangrijk natuurlijk. Als de Palm materialen niet onderdoen dan ga ik voor de sidewinder denk ik. Maar eerst de bevestiging dat de kwaliteit OK is tov de prijs.

Zowel de Sidewinder als de Aleutian heb ik gepast 'om de hoek' en ik pas dus prima in de standaard maat. De latex nek is vervelend maar na vijf minuten ben je dat vergeten.

Een extra nek op voorraad is dus wel gewenst begrijp ik.
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Berichtdoor bjorri » 17 sep 2008 23:35

Tot het laatst twijfelde ik tussen twee mogelijkheden. De Kokatat GMER leek me het beste pak maar inderdaad ontzettend duur. Voor ongeveer een derde van die prijs heb ik toch gekozen voor de LOMO Renegade, op Engelse forums is iedereen erg enthousiast over dit product. Vanavond besteld dus, levering pas begin november maar tot die tijd vaar ik nauwelijks ivm lichamelijke klachten en ook is tot die tijd het zeewater nog niet ontzettend koud en volstaat neopreen prima.
Freek bedankt voor de suggesties en het meedenken. De bevalling moet nog komen maar de conceptie viel me al zwaar...
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Berichtdoor Freek » 11 nov 2008 19:00

Heb je het pak al ?
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Berichtdoor bjorri » 11 nov 2008 19:13

Ja, het is al een tijdje binnen. Gezien mn handje heb ik het niet veel gebruikt nog en een binnenpak moet ik ook nog kopen. Een maal gedragen, hoop commentaar natuurlijk maar wel lekker droog na het rollen. Nog meer comentaar en hilariteit toen 'men' mij moest uitritsen en dat wat moeite koste.
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Berichtdoor bjorri » 07 dec 2008 23:59

Vandaag met het pak een dagje gevaren op het Alkmaardermeer. Niet gerold of zo, geen zin in koude kop en het water bij de uitstap was verre van schoon.

De rist sluiten en openen moet door een ander gebeuren en gaat erg lastig. Verder is het even wennen dat je niet in klam neopreen zit te zweten maar gewoon redelijk ruim zittende kleding om je lijf hebt. Wel maakt het pak wat geluid bij het varen, lastig met praten. De nek blijft heel vervelend jeuken, als het wat kouder is zal dat wel minder hinderlijk zijn.

Tijdens de pauze het pak even uit, het binnenpak is licht vochtig van zweet aan de buitenkant maar zeker niet zeiknat, wat dat betreft voldoet het naar verwachting.

Zoals ik het nu zie gaat het pak erg lang mee omdat ik het alleen ga gebruiken bij extreme omstandigheden, als neopreen toereikend is geef ik daar toch de voorkeur aan. Met name die nek en het niet even iets open kunnen zetten (ventilatie reguleren) valt me tegen.
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Berichtdoor Freek » 10 dec 2008 10:42

jeuk en latex is een veel voorkomend probleem, waar wel wat aan te doen is;
http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/foru ... latex+skin

Ik zit al jaren te dubben over een droogpak.
Maar ik heb een enorme hekel aan strakke dingen om mijn nek en ik rits de boel graag open, als ik het warm krijg. :oops:
Ik ben dan ook bang dat ie na een paar keer gebruik, op zolder belandt. :?

Als ik jouw ervarigen lees, stimuleer ik de credietcrisis nog maar even, en koop voorlopig niets.

Wat het lawaai betreft; Ik vraag me af, of de Reed-pakken dit probleem ook hebben, omdat dit erg soepel materiaal is.
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